{"id":48,"date":"2009-10-14T07:59:29","date_gmt":"2009-10-14T12:59:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.richimages.net\/?p=48"},"modified":"2015-01-02T14:34:47","modified_gmt":"2015-01-02T19:34:47","slug":"does-philippians-2-support-a-trinitarian-view-of-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/richimages.net\/?p=48","title":{"rendered":"Does Philippians 2 Support a Trinitarian View of God?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"dropcap\">T<\/span>his letter from Paul, to the group of believers at Philip-pi, is one of the more personal writings found in the New Testament. Certainly Paul, being in prison, would have had plenty of <em> time <\/em> to write; but it&#8217;s the feelings of <em> his heart <\/em> that obviously dominates his motivation. Recognizing this causes the letter to come to life with timeless truths. Through out the letter, we catch glimpses of the tight bond that existed between Paul and this particular body of believers. In the opening, we find he feels a special <em> partnership <\/em> with them. They supported him during wonderful days of preaching efforts, and also during difficult times of suffering for the cause of the gospel. Phil 1:5-7. In chapter two, we learn that they sent Epaphroditus to help during his current imprisonment of this letter &#8211; probably providing food, reading and writing materials, possibly extra clothing if it was necessary, and long sympathetic visits. But, during his visit, Epaphroditus had become sick, and nearly died! The church had received news of this.Paul is very concerned about their worries for him. Although Epaphroditus had recovered, Paul wants to send him back to relieve their worries over him and give them great joy. We see that Paul&#8217;s joy is wrapped up in their joy, and vice versa. There is a very tight bond between them.\u00a0<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Joy&#8221; is a repeated theme of the book. Returning to the opening of the letter, Paul states that he always remembers each of these people in his prayers, &#8211; and that doing so brings him much joy! And, he goes on to describe his prayer request &#8211; that their love would ever increase in spiritual understandings and insights to the point that they will be compelled to live out the fruit of what is right and pleasing to God, &#8211; which again would bring him &#8220;joy&#8221; in their spiritual maturity.<\/p>\n<p>Next, he seems forced to discuss the immediate concerns on everyone&#8217;s mind &#8211; his imprisonment! He reassures that God is in control, talks about the good that is coming out of this situation, and encourages them in pointing out how his imprisonment is furthering the cause of the gospel of Christ.<\/p>\n<p>He then returns to sharing matters of his heart &#8211; comforts found in Christ. He gives encouraging instructions to grow towards experiencing that for themselves.<\/p>\n<p>After setting the tone of the letter, and providing an overview up to this point, my aim is to pick up in chapter two. I would like to follow the basic flow-of-thought as it develops from Paul. Hopefully, by the time we reach verse six (where there is much debate over trinitarian and non-trinitarian viewpoints) we might better see what Paul was saying. Please note, I am using the New World Translation, to gain approval from non-trinitarians, for the purposes of this discussion. The specific <em> details <\/em> may be different if we use another translation &#8230; but the <em> general <\/em> flow-of-thought can <em> easily <\/em> be seen from <em> any <\/em> translation. I feel this approach &#8211; to examine how difficult phrases fit into the flow-of-thoughts &#8211; is a good one. This comparative process should support and confirm correct interpretations. If current interpretations are not confirmed by this process, then we have indications that beliefs are in error.<\/p>\n<p>One more thing before I start. I like to outline scripture with a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.richimages.net\/?p=569\">simple indenting method<\/a>. Detailed phrases are indented just beyond the root phrase it modifies. Nothing very formal or ridged, just something to slow me down and cause me to think about why each phrase was added to the Word of God. If you get nothing else from this discussion, I certainly hope you can agree that this is a GREAT STUDY AID. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s get started &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><!--nextpage--><\/p>\n<p>One more thing before I start. I like to outline scripture with a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.richimages.net\/?p=569\">simple indenting method<\/a>. Detailed phrases are indented just beyond the root phrase it modifies. Nothing very formal or ridged, just something to slow me down and cause me to think about why each phrase was added to the Word of God. If you get nothing else from this discussion, I certainly hope you can agree that this is a GREAT STUDY AID. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p><code><br \/>\nIf,<br \/>\nthen,<br \/>\nthere is any encouragement in Christ,<br \/>\nif any consolation of love,<br \/>\nif any sharing of spirit,<br \/>\nif any tender affections and compassions,<br \/>\n<\/code><\/p>\n<p>The above demonstrates a classic if\/then statement. The <em>if<\/em> has several parts to it.<\/p>\n<p><b>IF:<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>there exist any encouragement that can be experienced from knowing Christ<\/li>\n<li>there exist any consoling\/comforting feelings associated with receiving the love of Christ<\/li>\n<li>there exist sharing\/participation\/joining\/fellowship with the Spirit of God<\/li>\n<li>there are any advantages of having\/receiving compassions for\/from those who name the name of Christ<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Then:<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em>what?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><code><br \/>\nmake my joy full<br \/>\nin that YOU |<br \/>\nare of the same mind |<br \/>\nand | being joined together in soul,<br \/>\nhave the same love, |<br \/>\n|<br \/>\n<\/code><\/p>\n<p>Paul is saying: If you believe that these <em>&#8220;if-things&#8221;<\/em> are true, that they can be realities in your life &#8230; then, make his joy full, (remember that Paul&#8217;s joy is wrapped up in their joy) by experiencing these things:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; &#8220;having the same mind&#8221; (repeating the <em>if-phrase <\/em> of knowing the encouragement of Christ)<br \/>\n&#8211; &#8220;having the same love&#8221; (repeating the <em>if-phrase <\/em> of being comforted \/ consoled by the love of Christ)<br \/>\n&#8211; &#8220;being joined together in the Spirit&#8221; (repeating the <em>if-phrase<\/em> of sharing \/ fellowshipping \/ participating in the Spirit of God)<\/p>\n<p><code><br \/>\nholding the one thought in mind,<br \/>\ndoing nothing<br \/>\nout of contentiousness<br \/>\nor<br \/>\nout of egotism,<br \/>\nbut<br \/>\nwith lowliness of mind<br \/>\nconsidering that<br \/>\nthe others are superior to YOU,<br \/>\n<\/code><\/p>\n<p>Hummmmm &#8230; &#8220;Holding the <em>&#8216;one thought&#8217;<\/em> in mind&#8221;? That might be a good word-for-word translation, but I&#8217;m not sure this English wording allows us to easily understand what was meant. If so, let me ask: What is the &#8220;one thought&#8221; that we should hold onto in our mind? Anyone know?<\/p>\n<p>Other translations say things similar to: &#8220;Have the same mind&#8221;. Again, I ask: &#8220;What same mind&#8221;? I think everyone agrees that no matter how you word it, the instruction is to have the same mind-frame, the same mind-set, the same attitude &#8230; the same one that Paul has been talking about since the beginning of chapter two. I.e. to hold onto the fact that Christ loves us, gave Himself for us, and to let that soak in to the point that it comforts us; and to rest in that mysterious &#8220;joining to&#8221;, &#8220;fellowship with&#8221;, &#8220;sharing in&#8221; the Spirit of God; and to recognize those things are true for others who also have aligned themselves with Christ, and to love them because God has brought them, as well as us, into His holy, precious, family. We are to live with this mindset, with this attitude &#8211; with <em>joy<\/em> accepting accepting these things and trying to fully grasp them.<\/p>\n<p><b>Q.<\/b> If we really believe these things, and fully accept them &#8211; living fully in this same mindset, what detailed changes will that have in the way we live?<\/p>\n<p><b>A.<\/b> I&#8217;m glad you asked, the answer follows in the next set of verses:<\/p>\n<p><code><br \/>\nkeeping an eye,<br \/>\nnot<br \/>\nin personal interest<br \/>\nupon just YOUR own matters,<\/code><\/p>\n<p>but also<br \/>\nin personal interest<br \/>\nupon those of the others.<\/p>\n<p>Wow! This was probably a new train of thought for most! This is going beyond being personally moral in our own lives &#8230; these are instructions for us to seriously desire the absolute best for others in the body of Christ &#8211; this is the kind of love that God produces in the hearts of those who have met God!<\/p>\n<p>One of the best examples that demonstrates this would be a parent&#8217;s heart&#8217;s desires for his\/her own children &#8230; We want our own children to have a better life than us. We want them to grow closer to God than we will. And it would greatly please us if they lived a life that pleased God, that God loved them, and they experienced that love, and rested in, that love! I&#8217;m praying for them to grow up with that understanding, and reality. I&#8217;m trying to teach them to search after God, to have a heart for God. I believe every believer who has children understands this example. But Paul is saying this is how we should be concerned with <em>everyone in the body of believers,<\/em> this is the heart we should have for them.<\/p>\n<p>Next, after we fully understand the instruction and encouragement, we are given the supreme example of this mind-set, this heart, this attitude &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><code><br \/>\nKeep this mental attitude<br \/>\nin YOU<br \/>\nthat was also in Christ Jesus,<br \/>\n<\/code><\/p>\n<p>Again, Paul is showing that the greatest example of this mind set was\/is displayed by Christ Jesus!<\/p>\n<p>A recap of this paragraph would be: a challenge to decide if spiritual things are true, to realize they are true, to strive to live in the truth of those things, and to see that this was the case in the mind set of Christ.<\/p>\n<p>Details of this in the live of Christ is given below:<\/p>\n<p><code><br \/>\nwho,<br \/>\nalthough he was existing in God's form<\/code><\/p>\n<p>[ &#8230; an omitted very controversial<br \/>\nphrase goes here &#8230; ]<\/p>\n<p>he<br \/>\nemptied himself<br \/>\nand<br \/>\ntook a slave\u2019s form<br \/>\nand<br \/>\ncame to be in the likeness of men.<\/p>\n<p>Okay &#8230; we have now reached the verse where there exist a great controversial phrase. But for right now, due to the distraction of the controversy, may I continue to trace the flow of thought by leaving it out for the current discussion? In just a moment, we will examine the phrase and possible meanings for it, and attempt to place it back in.<\/p>\n<p>After reading the above details of how this mind set of Christ was demonstrated, we are left baffled! There is only one response &#8230; we simply say, &#8220;Wow!&#8221; If there was any doubt of what Paul meant by the &#8220;same mind&#8221; before, we should be crystal clear by what he means by now! Paul is saying that Jesus was <em> thinking about us, was motivated to bring about our good, was looking after our best interest <\/em> in performing each of these actions!<\/p>\n<p>There are two ways to read over this list of things that Jesus went through, with a mind set on looking out for our best interest, for us:<\/p>\n<p>(1) Just read over it and be impressed<br \/>\n-or-<br \/>\n(2) To view these things and be so humbled with the love of Christ about us that we are brought to tears with great humility!<\/p>\n<p>Is there any wonder that we see that God will cause everyone to bow the knee in a supreme act of acknowledgment that will ultimately bring God glory?<\/p>\n<p>So, Jesus existed in the form of God. This is a fact that everyone agrees on. And yet, he held us in view, and gave up this glorified form <em>For Us<\/em>. He:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; He emptied Himself of His form of God, <em> for us! <\/em><br \/>\n&#8211; He took a slave&#8217;s form <em> for us! <\/em><br \/>\n&#8211; He came as a servant in the likeness of men <em> for us! <\/em><br \/>\n&#8211; He, who was life Himself, humbled Himself to the point of a human death <em> for us! <\/em><br \/>\n&#8211; He, not only died, He died a cruel death of disgrace <em> for us <\/em><\/p>\n<p><code><br \/>\nMore than that,<br \/>\nwhen he found himself in fashion as a man,<br \/>\nhe<br \/>\nhumbled himself<br \/>\nand<br \/>\nbecame obedient as far as death,<br \/>\nyes,<br \/>\ndeath on a torture stake.<br \/>\n<\/code><\/p>\n<p><!--nextpage--><\/p>\n<p>Okay &#8230; whether we are trinitarian or not, we have traced through the flow-of-thought of this section of scripture. So, let&#8217;s return to examination the controversial phrase that needs to be placed back into the following scripture section:<\/p>\n<p><code><br \/>\nwho,<br \/>\nalthough he was existing in God\u2019s form<br \/>\n[ ... an omitted very controversial<br \/>\nphrase goes here ... ]<br \/>\nhe<br \/>\nemptied himself<br \/>\nand<br \/>\n.<br \/>\n.<br \/>\n.<br \/>\n<\/code><\/p>\n<p>So &#8230; let&#8217;s look at a few representative translations:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>NWT: &#8220;who, although he existed in God&#8217;s form,<br \/>\nhe gave no consideration to a seizure,<br \/>\nnamely, that he should be equal to God.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>KJV: &#8220;who,<br \/>\nbeing in the form of God,<br \/>\nthought it not robbery to be equal with God:&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>ESV: &#8220;who though he was in the form of God,<br \/>\ndid not count equality with God<br \/>\na thing to be grasped&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>So the Greek word of interest is: <em>harpagmon<\/em>. It has a verb form associated with the act of taking something, usually in context of the spoils of a conquered enemy, or that of robbery. It also has a noun form, associated with something that one hold onto tightly, something someone does not want to let go of.<\/p>\n<p>Whether one is a trinitarian or not, hopefully it can be seen that the first definition seems oddly out of place in this discussion, while the second definition fits nicely and logically into the developed context of the paragraph.<\/p>\n<p>Paul shows that the instructions he was giving is spiritually correct by pointing to the example of Christ&#8217;s life. His instructions were to consider the spiritual well-being of others as being more important than our own, and to live with this attitude &#8211; the same attitude displayed by Christ Jesus. He then shows how Christ demonstrated this in detail. Christ Jesus sacrificed things rightfully His in order to look out for our best interest. It simply doesn&#8217;t make sense for Paul to say, consider Jesus, <b><em>who did not entertain the temptation to rob God<\/em><\/b>, but instead He considered us. That idea would seem like a scribal gloss, it would seem highly out of place &#8211; it would be very foreign to the context of the paragraph. The people at Philip-pi were not struggling with the temptation of robbing each other.<\/p>\n<p>So, the context of the paragraph itself suggests the correct translation of <em>harpagmon<\/em>. The definition that best fits into the discussion would be <b> to hold onto something tightly<\/b>. Christ did not consider Himself first, and grasp tightly onto His equality with God, something rightfully His, but instead, He laid even this down to accomplish a work for us, looking after our best interest. And we are encouraged to think about this, and to adopt this same mind in our heart towards fellow believers that He has brought into a right standing before God.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This letter from Paul, to the group of believers at Philip-pi, is one of the more personal writings found in the New Testament. 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